listen well, and we’re in the midst of a morass of bad listening in the
political world, it’s terrifying.
Julian Treasure:
We can improve our listening, and music must be a
great way of doing that, surely.
Ben Zander: It’s a fantastic way of doing it… For 50 years almost, I’ve run
these youth orchestras, taking them on tour and playing these
extraordinary performances. There’s no doubt in my mind, although I
can’t prove it, that their lives are immeasurably enhanced and improved
by the fact that they’re listening to each other, they’re listening to
themselves, they’re listening to the music as a whole: they’re listening to
clarinets immersed in trumpets, and violas, and it’s just a world, which is
kind of a model for life.
If you just bash through a piece from beginning to end, and it’s as loud
and raucous as you can make it, you learn nothing, neither about music,
nor about life. But if you pull it apart and tell them what to listen for, and
give them the meaning, and share with them what you think the
composer is trying to say, and then they play over a long period of time,
and then they take it on tour, and they play it in concert… You can’t tell
me that this is not going to profoundly affect the way they lead the rest of
their lives, and I have countless letters from people in their 40’s and 50’s
who say that this experience is what shaped them as leaders in other
fields – as doctors, and lawyers, and political people.
So, to me, it’s one of the essential life forces. I’m just working on my
discussion for the Beethoven Ninth, and I’m very clear that Beethoven
was one of the great teachers that humanity has ever had. I love
Eleanor
Rigby
, but to suggest that
Eleanor Rigby
is an equal to the Beethoven
Ninth is grotesque to me. It’s on a level of such subtlety, and
sophistication, and depth, and profundity, and open heartedness in
meaning and philosophy – and on a scale that is beyond comprehension.
Julian Treasure:
Well not to mention joy, Ben. I remember very well
being in the room when you gave that TED talk, and you had the entire
TED audience belting out the fourth movement of Beethoven’s Ninth.
Ben Zander: I know! Isn’t that amazing?
Julian Treasure:
It was very joyful, which is what it’s supposed to be,
isn’t it?
Ben Zander: And you know what’s interesting about that, Julian, is that
it’s irresistible joy. It doesn’t matter how depressed, or self-absorbed, or
frightened you are. You listen to that music, and whatever state you’re in,
it takes you away. It takes you with it, and that’s a very powerful aspect of
music. Mendelssohn said that music is much more powerful than words –
he actually said something more important: it’s much more precise than
words, which is extraordinary. It seems like a complete paradox…Our job,
all of us, every single one of us is to make sure that the people around us,
whoever they are, know what’s going on in the things that we love the
most. We love music, and we know the power that music has, to
transform people’s whole lives. So, it’s our job to keep training people.
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