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particularly
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M  Yeah I think so  
M    Um I don't know I'm not sure about it
S   I hope you do  
Maybe maybe because some parents
M  Yeah  
some some mothers think that it's safer
 
 
Yeah
Phase 4
S     Right
S   OK Let's cr let's get back to thinking a
M   That doctors know more about delivering
 
little bit about cr your future Er we know
baby because er the midwife   er they're
 
that you want to er to study Medicine but
not very educated   it's just that they
 
er have you any thoughts about what sort
gain experience Yeah  
 
of Medicine you're going to specialize m
S     I see So they don't have a long training
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at the end of your studies
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M   Oh yeah Yeah Yeah  
M  Um Let me think I haven't decided yet
S       So  do  you agree with that view
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Do you
 
Yeah But I have something in my mind I
think er doctors do know more about 
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think 1 want to continue for
M   No No I'm not agree with that yeah er I
 
gynaecologist yeah  
think midwives are sometimes are better
S   Right  
than doctors Yeah  
M  
but some friends   yeah  my friends
S    It's difficult to generalize, isn't it
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sometimes  yeah  my friend told me
M   Yeah
 
that it's quite difficult for women
S    So do you think there's a a big need for er
 
because Gynaecology's obstetrician, is it
doctors who are specialists in infant care
 
see  I'm not very sure  but yeah So
or delivering babies in er Malaysia
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Is
 
um   because it's quite pressure for
that a growing area of need
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woman and stressful I think because
M   Yeah It's a growing area Yeah
 
sometimes woman is not very good in
S    Is is there a a fast growing population in
 
handling pressure situation   yeah I
Malaysia do you know
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think I  
M    Um You mean um growth of population
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S   Oh right Do you agree with that
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S     Yeah
M  Yeah Er m my case 1 think I agree
M    YeahWeha\c   yeah Quite fast The
 
because yeah   my friends   some of
growth of population right yeah The rate
 
them are cool enough to handle the
of   what you call that   the rate of birth
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situation but I don't think I can do it
S     The birth rate  
S   What sort of pressure do you imagine er
M    Yeah the birth rrte is going up Yeah
 
er it would involve
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S     Aha So it could be a \ try important area
M  Because   I don't know much about this
for your country if you choose that'
 
field actually Um well 1 know 'cos I
M    Yes Yes Yes Nowadays Yes
 
watched a movie about this obstetrician
S     Well, perhaps at the end of your studies
 
and she   this person   this doctor  and
you'll be more confident betause >ou II
 
she's she's going to deliver a baby So it's
have learnt so muih more' Is that
 
quite stressful I can see the situation
possible do you think
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so  pathic er panic  so sometimes I
M    Yeah I hope so 1 hope to g.un nu>a
 
think that 1 cannot handle it   so but I
confident That's wh) Icomelun.
 
wish 1 can   'cos it's a woman's job 1
 
think to to deliver a baby Yeah
Phase 5
S   Well I was going to say that er er in some
S     Well I'd like to thank you Maria for i r
 
ways one could argue that maybe it's er
taking part er 1.1 the inters lew and u ish
 
more suited to er a woman than a man
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you the best of link with >our studies
M  Yeah More suited to a woman yeah
M    Thank you Ste\e Thank ) on \rry nun h
S   Many midwives are are women in a lot
Yeah
 
of countries Do you have midwives in in
S     OK It was niio to talk to 
WHI
 
Malaysia
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M    It was nii.e to talk to you too
M  Yeah We have a lot of midwives Yeah
That's the end of phase 5 and the end of the
S   And and do they deliver many of the
interview.

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SPEAKING TEST 2 
WANDA AND PEHR  
fact 1 was there just before the Olympic 
Games when 1 was visiting the Val d'Isere  
Phases 1 and 2  
slopes Very nice area Scary slopes  
W
  
Hi, Pchr Hem are )ou
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Somewhere it's built very steep  
P   I'm fine, thank you  
W  Why are they scary
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v
v  
Good Dm I see from your CV that you're 
from Sw eden
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P   Well, they're very steep and icy Of course 
that's exciting as well at the same lime.  
P   Yeah That's right From Europe from  
W  And er this is a   probably not a very  
 
Sweden Yes  
 
good er question but have you had any  
W
  
Mm And er I guess you've been studying 
English for a w hile now'  
P   um accidents while you've been skiing
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No not really I just hurt my turn (thumb)  
P   Yes Do you mean here in Australia or 
before
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some years ago That can create a lot of 
problems because you use your hands  
W
  
How long have you been studying 
English, all told
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W  and arms a lot when you ski So 
Right Oh yes yes Um I think er people  
P   Well, I've been study since I was er 10 
years old maybe, partly in the primary 
and later on in secondary school in 
Sweden, yes  
 
who are novices   who begin to learn to 
ski   sometimes they er damage their legs 
and you see people coming back from 
holidays with their legs in plaster  
v
v  
Mm Uh Mm Uh And um is this your  
P   Yes Right  
 
first er trip abroad
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W  Have you ever experienced em have you  
P   This is m) first trip trip to Australia Yes,  
 
been any where where this has happened  
 
it is  
P   Yeah I've seen a a a woman once, for a  
W
  
Mm Mm And where else have you  
 
couple of years ago who broked her leg  
 
travelled
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and you could see her bone sticking out  
P   Well 1 haven t been in other places in  
 
from the flesh It's quite  
 
Australia but later on I think I will go to  
w   Oh goodness  
 
other cities )es  
P   Yes It's not so funny  
W
  
Where do you think you might go in  
W  Yes That's quite gruesome isn't it  
 
Australia
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P   Yes it is  
P   Well 1 m for Christmas later on I'm  
w   So it's quite dangerous  
 
m\ ited to Brisbane to the Gold Coast as  
P   Yeah Yes you hav e to be careful and don I  
 
well so 1 think 1 w ill pop up there for a  
 
do stupid things Yes, that's right  
 
uhile  
w   Mm And um windsurfing   now we're  

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W
  
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looking at er a different er climate here  
 
fun Although 1 don t know whether  
 
.in.n 1 we One s a winter sport and the  
 
December s a \er) good time of the vear  
 
other s   Would you go windsurfing in  
 
in terms of the weather 1 think it s ,1 er it s   
Ihe w inter
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 Perhaps in Australia
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\er) humid then  
P 
Perhaps in Australia Yes that s right Bui 1  
P   Ver) humid and ver> warm "U>s lh.it-,  
 
think it's very important to have  
 
right >es  
 
something to do during the summer and  
W
  
Do )ou think you could tope with that
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something to do at winter during the  
P   I think 1 can stay inside and if 1 go out go    
winter  
 
out 1 h.u e to go to the beach   instead 1 II   w   And um your um interest in  
 
l.iki a bath   take a sw im  
 
windsurfing   Have you been involved in  
W
  
Of i ourse 1 hat s the best w ay to get cool    
windsurfing for a long time
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isn 1 il Um Also here on ) our CV ) ou \ e  
P   Yes for 6 years I was competing er before  
 
nunliomd thai vou re pretty much an  
 
and 1 m looking forward because in a  
 
outdoors t) pe You like downhill skiing 
lor mst.iiut  
 
couple of days 1 will go down to Victor 
Harbor further down for some wind  
P   Vs I do 1 think 1 will do that later on  
 
surfing I hope  
 
when 1 ionic lo Lurupi this winter  
w   Oh Right So er you said you were  
W
  
C .m ) ou U 11 me something about er 
some  
 
competing In what context'  
 
of the uh the experiences you've had  
P   Well I was it was a er the in in just in  
 
v\hile sou haVe been er skiing
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Sweden National League in funboard ami  
P   Some particularl)  
 
waveriding  
W
  
^eah Memorable occasions  
w   And did you have er many um good  
P   memorable occasions
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 Yeah, last year in    
results
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1'   No I just was an average person who just
P
So it's possible to to sell them later 
love it for fun  
another student  
W So this is something that you probably
W Yes Yes Yes You can  
would enjoy doing in Australia too I
P
Great Where do you think I can 
imagine'  
some cheap used furniture then for 
P   Yes Yes Especially with this weather
student'
coming now and during the summer, I
W So you want used furniture did you 
would like   looking forward to that
P
No Yes Preferably, yes  
W Yeah It can get quite warm
W OK So second hand furniture  
P   Yeah
P
Yeah From other students maybe'
 
W Yes And I also can recommend a
Phase3  
warehouse that deals with second 
W Okay I would like to change the um
furniture of good quality  
conversation a little bit now and um I
P
Here In Adelaide'  
would like you, in this part to ask me
W Yes Our students often go there to 
questions And I'm going to give you a
second hand furniture  
piece of paper with some information on
P
OK Good Um and um, what do 
it and I would like you to take some time
think' Is there is there any 
to read it and then when you've finished
use desks here in er at the 
let me know and we'll start this section of
do you think I have to buy a desk 
the interview  
W I think most students find it's very