TermInfo Conference Call Minutes
Wednesday, April 29, 2015 - Time: 9:00 AM Eastern Time (1300 UTC)
Chair: Rob Hausam, Scribe: Riki Merrick
Attendees: Rob Hausam, Riki Merrick, Carmela Couderc, Jos Baptist, Yongsheng Gao
Regrets: Heather Grain, Daniel Karlsson, Heather Patrick
Announcements
HL7 WGM in Paris begins May 10th!
No Riki next week
Review and approve minutes from April 22 – Motion to approve as distributes and corrected Carmela Couderc, Jos Baptist, no further discussion, against: 0, abstain: 0, in favor: 3
Action items review and update (if possible, please send your updates in advance)
From January 2015 (San Antonio) WGM TermInfo and Vocab quarters
Need to review and update the TermInfo PSS (will discuss on a future call)
From January 2014 (San Antonio) WGM TermInfo and Vocab quarters
Negation
Review and update Core Principles negation guidance (section 6.6 etc.)
Consider preparing Help Desk article on negation - when Negation update in Core Principle is completed (are further updates still planned?), then this will be the follow up project to promote and make more accessible to general audience (?)
Reach out to Jean Duteau, Larry McKnight and others
Recent FHIR observation value negation discussion in OO plus proposed addition of indicator elements for action "not done" in PCWG
Determine content and format for TermInfo Wiki page for "TermInfo in FHIR" discussion (Rob)
"Assertion pattern" in CDA and FHIR
Plan for discussion on future call(s) - see new discussion on OO list (copied to TermInfo)
Recommend not supporting use of ASSERTION (or equivalent) in FHIR?
Paris WGM TermInfo quarter (Tuesday Q2) planning
Housekeeping (15 min)
call schedule
how to get more participation / publicize next cycle topics (Can we visit other WGs and “advertise” topics to other WGs like SD, PC, FHIR FMG))
David to introduce new IHTSDO topics (30 min)
DSTU review and finalization – focus on the outstanding issues ONLY
Expression constraint language
IHTSDO/FHIR collaboration
Negation indicator use as described by Joseph Kunisch when “not done” – NOT general discussion about negation (20 min)
Qualifier values in value sets (25 min)
Continue review of IHTSDO feedback on TermInfo DSTU
27 Recommendations, most of them related to the compositional grammar replacement with SNOMED CT Expression Constraint Language topic
Agree with first two recommendations
Need to still get answer from IHTSDO about the spaces in the examples in SCT expressions! – Rob to reach out
Link to a draft document? – artifact number should always be the same with newer version – would need to link to that, not the document number – also this is on Collabnet, so not publically available!
Agree with change of default context to context
Agree with SNOMED description fixes – thank you!
Agree with link updates
17 Suggestions – consider keeping all of these for future use?
Listing normative and informative at the section level? – HL7 ballot did not raise this type of comment
Have the editorial team review the document and the comments
Work through documents distributed from David Markwell – Rob to send to editor group
Plans for incorporating the feedback into the document
Extend the call next week to 2 hours and plan on 1 hour discussion on qualifier values and 1 hour on DSU comment review!
Call adjourned 10:20 AM EDT
DSTU QA review
Continue to review questions/comments as needed
Plans for updating document (including IHTSDO feedback as above)
Rules regarding use of SNOMED CT qualifier ("Findings values") concepts in value sets for observation results – will be discussed NEXT WEEK!
Review and plan to continue discussion on the call next week
Uncertain if discussion will happen/has happened at IHTSDO meeting this week in Copenhagen - report from Jim and/or Daniel next week?
Add to TermInfo and/or Vocab agendas for Paris WGM
Yong's draft project document on "Descriptor qualifier values" was distributed and an overview was provided last week
Need clarification on IHTSDO policy about stand-alone use of qualifier and why we have the findings value hierarchy
Determine desired outcomes
Compile and/or develop rules?
Negation of observation value and proposed indicator elements for action "not done" in FHIR
Plan for making recommendations for negation in FHIR
Continue discussion - pending examples from Joe Kunisch
Recent issues raised in CCDA/QRDA for negation of Supply and Encounter
Add to Vocab and/or TermInfo Paris WGM agenda
TermInfo on FHIR!
Not planning to discuss on today's call
IHTSDO/FHIR collaboration discussion (including TermInfo considerations) being planned for Tuesday May 19th (following Paris WGM)
Determine desired outcomes/deliverables
TermInfo guidance (for implementers ) in FHIR specification "Best Practice Guide for Coding" section?
Future "TermInfo on FHIR!" tutorial?
Others
Negation of observation value and proposed indicator elements for action "not done" in FHIR
Plan for making recommendations for negation in FHIR
Continue discussion - pending examples from Joe Kunisch
Recent issues raised in CCDA/QRDA for negation of Supply and Encounter
Begin review of IHTSDO feedback on TermInfo DSTU
Discuss plans for incorporating the feedback into the document
DSTU QA review
Continue to review questions/comments
Plans for updating document (including IHTSDO feedback)
Agenda items for next week
Begin planning for Paris WGM TermInfo quarter (Tuesday Q2)
Future agenda items - pending
Update on TermInfo webinar and tutorial
TermInfo tutorial and Webinar need coordination with the new Implementation of Terminology tutorial
Consider when the TermInfo tutorial will be presented again at WGM (September 2015?)
Need to consider plans for webinar
"Parked" action items - pending
From May 2014 (Phoenix) WGM TermInfo and Vocab quarters
Check with MnM if they want to Co-sponsor (Rob) - will hold pending TermInfo planning
Finalize updates to TermInfo PSS (Rob) - will hold pending TermInfo planning
Ask HQ if there is a way to give an introduction to TermInfo at a FHIR Connectathon (Rob)
example exercises
use of post-coordinated expressions
ASSERTION pattern issues
including query responses in FHIR
Observables discussion in IHTSDO
PRID property in LOINC
Coordinate with Linda Bird on IHTSDO work on allergies and adverse reactions (for potential TermInfo implications) (Rob)
Coordinate with Kirstine Rosenbeck Gøeg (from Denmark) on her IHTSDO SNOMED CT Implementation Advisor program work item that overlaps with TermInfo – use of SNOMED CT with different information models (HL7) - met and began discussion at the IHTSDO meeting (October 2014) (Rob)
